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Alice Cooper, Dances With Wolves, George Armstrong Custer, Indians, Iraq, Little Big Man, Movies, Patriotism, Time
When Dances With Wolves came out in November 1990, audiences throughout the country cheered as Kevin Costner and his Lakota friends killed U.S. soldiers in one of the final scenes of the film. The Lakota in this film were decent (perhaps noble?), and the soldiers had been as contemptible as any character could be. More than that, the soldiers were emissaries of an aggressive nation bent on taking everything Costner’s Lakota friends had. Nothing could have been more obvious than our loyalties at that point in the film. Of course we rooted for the Indians!
Two months later, American troops attacked Iraqi forces that had taken Kuwait, and Americans cheered as bombing attacks appeared on CNN just about all day every day for some time. Iraqi treatment of the Kuwaitis had been cruel and Saddam Hussein posed a threat to world peace comparable to that the great Hitler (as some would have it anyway). Nothing could have been more obvious than our loyalties at that point in history. Of course we rooted for the American forces!
The transition always appeared to me rather seamless. It was a very disheartening moment, an indication of just how powerless the left wing critique of American imperialism had been. Seeing audiences cheer on the Indians in Dances With Wolves, it seemed as if for once, the American public had gotten the message, at least one some level, and then they went right out and repeated all the same mistakes over again. Just as sensationalist accounts of Indian atrocities had once fueled military aggression against them, lurid stories of Iraqi conduct fueled support for military action in the Gulf War. And once again, America expanded its military presence in the world, to what end, we are still learning.
There are differences between these stories of course, and we could haggle over the details, but I’m not particularly interested in debating the Gulf War here. What concerns me is the question of which difference made the distinction matter? I can’t help but think that difference was time.
I would say that the critical difference is also a question of entertainment versus reality, but of course few war movies have provided near the entertainment value that the Gulf War presented to the American public. Whatever else that conflict represents, it was also a tremendous achievement in the theatrical violence. Plus, the conflicts depicted in Dances With Wolves have real world analogs. The specifics may have been fictional, but the issues in question were quite real. no, the difference is time. Dances With Wolves depicts a conflict most Americans believe to be over, and that makes it safe to flirt with critical appraisal providing it isn’t going anywhere.
Dances With Wolves was a story about America’s past. Cheering for the Indians in a fictional skirmish about an event long ago didn’t pose much of a personal cost for the average American. Sure, there may be some jingoists out there who really couldn’t stomach the thought that any aspect of American history had been anything short of a gift from God himself, but any discomfort they might have felt at the final scenes of Costner’s epic was surely the price of their own extremism. More folks could flip loyalties for that one brief moment, and then flip them right back again when push came to petro.
That’s hardly an unusual transition. It’s as easily done as shifting from present to past tense when the topic of Indians comes up in a conversation, or shifting from particular issues to a great big general narrative about the history of Indian white relations. The hat trick is of course the phrase; “what we did to the Indians.” What continually fascinates me is its appearance in otherwise focused conversations. You could be talking about some specific policy and its impact on some specific native community RIGHT NOW, and the next thing you hear is someone telling you that they really think it’s sad what ‘we’ did to the Indians.
…except the past tense undermines the ‘we’ part. Those saying this know very well they aren’t including themselves in the damned ‘we’ of that sentiment, not really. A good portion of the times I’ve heard this, the impact of the utterance was precisely to shift the conversation away from anything that ‘we’ really could do anything about today. And that is of course my rather long winded point; it’s easy to root for the Indians in Dances With Wolves, much easier than it is to support them in present, and much easier to support them than it is to question attacks on any prospective enemy we have today. Whether it be casinos, tribal mascots, or tribal jurisdiction, the same folks who will happily root for the Indian in a fictional battle set in the remote past are much less likely to support the native side in present day conflicts. As to foreign policy? Well…
Bombs away!
But let’s stick with Indian-white relations for a bit. You can see the whole transition in a stanza from one of Alice Cooper’s more obscure songs, but to get the full effect, you have to listen to the full tune. (Don’t worry; it’s one of his less shocking pieces.).
In case you missed it, the relevant lines are as follows:
I love the bomb, hot dogs, and mustard.
I love my girl, but I sure don’t trust her.
I love what the Indians did to Custer.
I love America.
There they Come. There they go.
– Alice Cooper
The line about Custer fits with the rest of Cooper’s rhyme scheme, but the line about Custer is a bit of a thematic twist. The over-the-top jingoism of Cooper’s song seems inconsistent with the celebration of a set-back to the march of American history. We wouldn’t expect Cooper to root for the other side. And then suddenly, he isn’t cheerful at all, or at least the song isn’t, as we hear an Indian war-party come and go accompanied to faux-Indian music right out of the movies. He drops his rhyme scheme and sings almost as an aside, “There they come,” and then “there they go.” And thus a line about the demise of Custer and his troops becomes a comment about the proverbial vanishing Indian.
It’s safe to root for him, because he’s vanished.
Cooper’s song celebrates an Indian victory in order to mourn a Native loss, and of course that loss is precisely what the voice of the song calls for, the removal of an obstacle to the America cooper loves so much. And then of course the song picks up again as Cooper continues to celebrate all-things red, white, and soldier blue. It seems likely that Cooper’s treatment was deliberately ironic; it seems equally unlikely that he appreciated the full depths of that irony.
I don’t think Cooper’s attitude is at all unusual. I’ve heard similar sentiments many times. I understand why my old professor, a Choctaw celebrated the Custer’s last stand, and I understand why Lakota and Cheyenne do today, but they are celebrating a victory, something their people did right. Folks like Cooper are celebrating a loss, and one has to wonder just what they think that loss means?
As with any other great cultural icon, what is said of Custer is often really said of other things. At this point he seems to stand in proxy all of western history. The man has always had his critics, but it was probably the movie Little Big Man that taught the public to think of him as a raving lunatic. The Custer of this film is as ruthless as he is incompetent, and he is clearly the voice of western expansion. In the real world, it was Horace Greeley who advised young men to go to the West. In Little Big Man, it is Custer who tells the main character, Jack Crabb, to go West. It is Custer who carries out the most horrible atrocities of the film, the ones which make that migration possible, and ultimately, it is Custer (along with his troops) who will pay the price for Western expansion.
I grew up with that vision of a Custer in mind, one shared by multiple sources of popular culture in the 70s and 80s. I can’t recall meeting anyone personally who defended Custer in my youth, not once. From time to time, I heard or saw echoes of Custer’s previous incarnations in popular culture, the heroic Custer of Anheuser Busch or the onion-loving Custer of some old movie whose name I’ve long since forgotten. I could easily think that heroic vision as deluded, but of course that was a Custer who belonged to someone else, one who had been slain literally and figuratively on the screen of Little Big Man.
While we can haggle over the facts of Custer’s career and the details of his final battle, the successful caricature of Custer doesn’t facilitate a pro-native view so much as a an easy dismissal of the larger problems of American expansionism. This is where Little Big Man fails in its politics. (It was of course also a commentary on Vietnam.) In framing the horrors of American Indian policy as a reflection of personal lunacy, the movie invited us all to feel far too much relief at Custer’s ultimate defeat. It’s simply easier for all of us if Custer can take responsibility for all the horrors of America’s Indian policies, easier because he lost, and in his loss, folks can well imagine that he carries those horrors with him into the grave.
All of which brings to mind the title of Vine Deloria’s old classic, Custer Died for Your Sins.
To be sure films like Little Big Man and Dances With Wolves call attention to larger problems, but they also point to a way out which all too many Americans seem to have taken, the belief that the ugly side of American military can be laid at the feet of the occasional lunatic clad in buckskin.
Or perhaps to a cigarette puffing soldier who lost her moral compass somewhere along the way.
Because surely the problems don’t go any further than that!
“Or perhaps to a cigarette puffing soldier who lost her moral compass somewhere along the way.”…………….you really think that this was losing a moral compass? How about the atrocity of 9/11 or tyne bombings in madrid and London by Islamist nutters who had no senses of decency or a “moral compass” as you put it.
Have a look at what ISIS are doing to people in Syria and a little ritual humiliation pales into insignificance. Time to get off the “moral high horse” of yours.
If you really think atrocities carried out by Islamists constitute an adequate defense of what happened at Abu Grahib, then your views are of little concern to me..
Forgive me but I must be mistaken in that I believe that all of those detained were Islamists who subscribe to a policy of misogyny, forced marriage, beheadings, stoning, persecution of gays, subjugation of ANY other religion…………
So do some research about these so called “innocents”, it is well known that more than 50% of them returned to terrorist activities when they were released. When the situation calls for it, you fight fire with fire.
I am sure the Yazidis would have exchanged a little personal humiliation for the beheadings, rape and killing they experienced at the hands of these wide eyed innocents.
If perhaps I had said anything, ANYTHING, to the effect that Islamists are innocent, your comments would be relevant. As it is, they constitute little but a childish outburst on your part. Goodbye.
We are shown by our own military what they want us to see, in order to increase sentiments such as these so that those who own the guns, the butter, and the modes of healing, can make money–it’s all in the marketing and opinion of what occurred based upon the ‘facts’ that we are fed. I wonder that no one is taught in school much about Hitler or about the USSR as propaganda would be more obvious.
I note that you do not address any of the points I raised but fall back on the old “Government conspiracy” theory. You really ought to get out of the USA a little more, visit other parts of the world that have been attacked by these Islamist supremacists try Nigeria for starters and the behaviour of Boko Haram and their treatment of young girls and slaughter of non-muslim young men or as mentioned previously the slaughter of the Yazidis. And you are putting the humiliation of prisoners on a par with this……..I think not!
I did not feel that I was required to address anything beyond what I felt and what I thought. I did it because it was an expression of me, not having anything to do with you, at all. Assumptions about what we know and what we do not know create arrogance and errors.
A little research, reading and awareness of what is happening in other parts of the world also leads to enlightenment…………..I shall comment no further.
You certainly shall not.
Oh wait, another assumption that I don’t read Arabic (or any other languages) and do not follow non-American/BBC news. Raises furry eyebrow on a stick and blinks a little.
The man won’t be posting here anymore.
Oh, well bummer, it rather shows a more complete image of just what you were showing in this blog piece. It all has me thinking of the Melting Pot. I think no one really wishes to be melted and the pot is full of sharp porcupine needles and what to do with them?
You know, i actually don’t think he read the piece. He seems to have reacted to just the one comment. Seems to have taken that as the point of the post. Ah well.
I went to visit his page, just from the about one could ASSume he’s not a complete dolt. I followed him just so I might walk alongside for a bit and observe. shrugs, it’s what I do
And, just to share, I still like Ayn Rand very much. I do not think that there is, nor ever will be, one common good. Especially not one in which anyone can agree.
Hello Daniel! waves~~~
Kindakush your own comments are wildly off topic, and Eliza is under absolutely no obligation to respond to your specific points. Neither she nor I have postulated any equation between the actions of Islamists and those of our troops. If and when your reading skills or at least your command of logic improve, you are welcome to visit again. Until then you are free froth at the mouth on your own forum.
I am so glad that you said this. I think it, it just seems that when I venture to share it with anyone, the sledgehammer of WTF you conspiracy theory blah blah blah snears and then bashes at me. How dare I not support the military!? (no one asks me if I served either)
Heh, one hardly needs a conspiracy to explain such things. Most of the shenanigans are right out in the open. All the more reason some folks are so quick to damn anyone who questions the logic of such events. Anyone who fails to grant license for their wars must be punished.
I considered this a very thoughtful commentary, a very good post indeed.
giggling and cackling over the words, “arty-farty studio” I LOVE IT!!!
Thank you CC. You’re very kind.
oh myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, I finally decided to
trust youwatch the video, I swear I didn’t know about the Russian references earlier today–head is always going like a bobble-head doll for quite a while after engaging with you 😀This evening ya nearly had me choke on supper.
Licks!
ps a person claiming to be a 17 year old Pakistani female has followed my blog and on the about page, claims that the UN thinks she is a criminal and that she will win or die. How do humans learn to think in the way that we do? Well I’ll just wave some more at Big Brother and laugh while listening to the video again.
please fix my human’s apostrophe error i read in bed all day and I can’t see very well to fix my typos
Its did.
As an NDN Who also has settler genes, I spend a good deal of time thinking about these things. Oddly, I do the same as a Polio survivor. There is a ghostlike quality to both experiences, as though we are all dead and gone, except perchance for those NDNs riding in the Rose parade. Also odly, lately I find myself thinking about Amazon’s wage slaves, and howI really must feel remorse when I order from the Beast, and ultimately, refuse to purchase there. After a while these three themes begin to be so intertwined as to become one cloth. Colonialism just morphs repeatedly; just follow the money and the ghosts.
Well said.
Always love to see how films affect our view of history. They can not only re-write the facts, but also change our feelings about who was “good” or “bad.”
And no modern historical film is REALLY about the past, but about the present’s presentation of the past. That’s very different.
I just watched the Hannah Arendt film. Interesting still, what evil is, what it is described to be–and what comes from feelings or misunderstandings about both.
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