Tags
atheism, Belief, Bigfoot, Chick Tracts, Christianity, Guns, Hell, Noah, Skepticism, The Bible
I have been reading some of the why-I-am-an-atheist stories over on Pharyngula, and it has led to thoughts about the various moments in my younger days which might have led me down that path. I wouldn’t say that any of these stories could really constitute an adequate answer to the question of why I am an atheist. Taken together, I’m not sure they do add up to such an answer either; instead they form a record of the impressions made by various skeptical thoughts in my youth. Some of these were my thoughts; some came from others, but each of them has made a lasting impression on me.
As to others, well we shall see…
***
A CARTOON BIBLE AND AN EAGER YOUNG MIND: No sooner had I learned to read than I decided to tackle the cartoon Bible sitting beside the bed. In fact, I think the ability to read that bible had been one of the major selling points for learning to read to begin with. Cartoons or not, this was a thick volume and it took a lot of time to work through it, just a little reading every night for God knows how long!
…well, no he doesn’t, but you get my point.
Now my choice of early reading material ought to tell you something about my youthful priorities, but please let me assure you that I was every bit as boring and straight-laced as you might have gathered from this fact. Anyway, I loved that book, and I loved it for the right reasons, as some might say; I wanted to learn about God.
So, you can imagine my surprise when my father told me he didn’t believe in the story of Noah and the flood. I was shocked. The mere possibility that any detail of that sacred cartoon filled bundle of Godly goodness could be wrong was beyond me. So, I did what any properly annoying first grader would do. I asked why? Dad told me that the very notion God would need a flood to clear away so many bad people would mean that God made a mistake in the first place, and that seemed unlikely. This is where I must admit I failed in my childhood duties and let Dad off with a single ‘why’. Seriously, I should have pestered him for hours after that. Instead, I just sat there dumb-damned and trying to soak up this new possibility. The Bible could be wrong about something.
Wow!
***
A CHICK IN THE BOY’S BATHROOM: I remember the first time I ever saw a Chick tract. For those of you blessed with ignorance about these things, let me sully your mind with a brief explanation. A chick tract is a cartoon sermon produced by Jack Chick publications. Back in the mid-seventies, it would have been Chick himself who did the one I saw that day. Chick Tracts typically follow the life of some character engaged in a sinful activity such as believing in Evolution, Practicing Paganism, Celebrating Halloween, Playing D&D, or Going to a Catholic Church, for example. The tract will normally include graphic threats of hellfire and damnation before introducing the good news that all of this can be averted by embracing Jesus Christ. It’s a pretty standard script from which neither Chick himself nor those who have filled his shoes deviate by much.
I was in 4th or 5th grade, and I found one of these in the school bathroom. I don’t remember a lot of details, but it definitely followed the familiar script. I don’t think the positive Jesus-loves-you theme made much of an impression on me at the time; I was still tingling in horror at the thought of Hellfire and damnation, and at the thought that someone could be perverse enough to believe in such things. For a kid raised in a Spiritualist household (just think New Age, but not quite as marketable, at least not on the cusp on the 80s) this was quite a shocker. I had heard of people that believed in Hell, but I hadn’t to my knowledge met any of them. And I didn’t know which scared me more; the fantastic thought of actual hellfire, or the very real prospect that someone who embraced the concept had been at my school.
It was shortly after this that I began talking about my ‘beliefs’ (and those of my family) with some classmates. I quickly discovered that my parents were not comfortable with this. I also discovered that I actually knew quite a few people who believed in Hell; I might even have known the person responsible for putting the tract in the school bathroom. And thus I grew to understand my parents’ reluctance to engage in open discussion of the topic.
…and before moving on, let me just say that I think it very fitting that my first encounter with a chick tract would be finding one of them in a bathroom. I could only wish it had been properly disposed of.
***
SASQUATCH, WHERE FOR ART THOU: The highlight of my 6th grade year was the big field trip to somewhere with cabins (I want to say Big Bear). Yes, that’s right; it was that sort of field trip. In the days and weeks leading up to the trip, I heard talk of bunk-beds, long hikes, campfires, and roasted marsh-mellows. …and something else.
Bigfoot! …of course.
Now, you have to remember this was Southern California, and it was the 1970s. Bigfoot was big (pun intended), as was the Devil’s Triangle, and UFOs were everywhere. I even remember a popular movie about reincarnation, and another one about the discovery of Noah’s Ark somewhere in the Himalayas. All of this seemed much more plausible to me as a 6th grader, but more than that, I think it seemed much more plausible to people in the 70s.
I blame it on disco!
The trip would include all the things we talked about, including at least one encounter with Bigfoot, or at least one of our teachers dressed up like him in the dark. It didn’t really fool anyone, …well not after word got out about the zipper.
But the next day…
I don’t remember exactly what we were all supposed to be doing on that day, but apparently it amounted to a stretch of free time. I was near the edge of the campground when some of my classmates began to point out into the trees, just up the mountainside a little. I can still hear them talking; “What is that?” “It’s moving!” “Holy crap!” and “That thing is big!” There weren’t any teachers around this particular spot in the campground, but more and more children (myself included) made our way to the edge of the trees to see what the others were looking at.
I couldn’t see a damned thing!
Like a lot of my classmates I was scared, and I was curious, and those two emotions fought for control of my soul (or at least my feet) in that little spot near the edge of the forest just below the side of a hill. I really wanted to see Bigfoot, and I wanted to live through the experience. In an effort to satisfy my fear while edging closer to the unknown danger I picked up a rock, as did a few of my classmates (because of course Bigfoot would have been no match for 6th graders with rocks). I then stepped as close as I could bring myself to the forest.
When someone said it was moving towards us (whatever it was) we all took a step or three back, but we didn’t quite run. And then of course nothing happened. I grew more and more frustrated, because I still couldn’t see a damned thing. …dammit!
Several of my classmates had surpassed the what-is-that stage and begun to claim with absolute certainty that they were looking right at a Bigfoot. They pointed, and I looked, and I just didn’t see it. A couple kids pointed more and proclaimed still more loudly, and I still didn’t see a damned thing. I edged closer to the forest. I wasn’t the only one who didn’t see him, but I may well have been the kid there who most wanted to.
And I just didn’t.
I’m not entirely sure why, but a few kids began to throw rocks into the forest. When one of the rocks came bouncing back down the side of the mountain, we all took a few hurried steps back. …only most everyone else took a few more than I did, and suddenly there I was out ahead of anyone else. To fully appreciate this you have to understand that I was a pretty flighty kid. (Seriously, my sister and a few of my old classmates could tell you stories, but thankfully this isn’t their blog). For the moment, I was well out ahead of my classmates, rock in hand, ready to confront Bigfoot all by myself if need be.
And damned mad, that he wasn’t making an appearance.
He never did.
When the teachers finally broke up the whole thing and called us inside, I became completely disgusted with the matter, and especially at my classmates. I had recently become acquainted with the phrase; “mass hysteria,” and in the wake of the absentee Bigfoot incident, I made damned sure that everyone within ear-shot was became as familiar with it.
…I could be a really annoying kid.
***
BAD AIM: When I was 14, my Dad and I attended the Daisy International BB-Gun Championship held that year in Bowling Green, Kentucky. Seriously, I think it was mostly the states that supplied teams, but Mexico and Canada sent teams, so I guess that made it an international event. Now I was a budding young gun-nut (seriously, I was), so I hope you will understand that this event was Disneyland, Christmas, and my birthday all rolled into one as far as I was concerned. And I did reasonably well, not well enough to win anything mind you, but, …what the Hell! I was 1 point 1x off a tie for third in prone (he says beaming with pride). But, what the Hell is this story doing here, you may ask?
Well, the contest included a Sunday.
As I recall, there were three options for activities on Sunday morning. One of them was a movie, I do remember that. The third option, I don’t recall, but you’ll never guess the one I chose. I chose to go to a church (or at least a sermon held in the great ballroom that we called church that day). This was my chance to witness mainstream religion in all its glory, and to do it without much effort. For half an hour I could peer into the lives of my Christian classmates and learn what God meant to them, at least on Sundays.
The sermon?
It was about how sin is like missing the mark and failing to hit the bullseye. For half an hour this minister told us all about the nature of sin; it was, in his view, essentially bad aim. I couldn’t believe my ears. I don’t think I had quite mastered the word ‘patronizing’ yet, but as I sat there struggling with the icky feeling in my gut, I knew there had to be some word for the utter stupidity of this man’s sermon. And I came away wondering; is this what mainstream preachers do? …make up lame analogies based on the presumed interests of their target audience?
Suffice to say, I wasn’t dying to repeat the experience.
***
ABSOLUTELY! …OH, WAIT A MINUTE! The words were quite familiar, Hell I had probably said them myself a time or two; “You can’t just expect God to walk up and greet you in person.” It was High school and one of my classmates had just said this in response to another person. I remember nodding in earnest, because everyone knew you couldn’t just expect that, …and then a thought struck me like a bug in the mouth while riding a skateboard.
Why not?
Was that really so unreasonable? Why couldn’t you just say; I’ll believe in God if I actually meet him. And if God failed to pass this test, would He really hold it against someone for having adopted such a standard? Or would he say; oh that’s just So&So; he wants more evidence than I feel like giving. He’ll learn when I get around to it.
I can’t say that I made this my standard just then, or really that I ever have taken such a stance (it is a bit of a caricature), but in that particular moment, I simply ceased to think of it as an unreasonable position.
Course the fact that my mind was on this while talking to a really cute girl is the rally sad part of this story.
Really, it is.
***
SAY IT AIN’T SO, JOE! I was a freshman in College when my friend Joe told me there were factual errors in the Bible, and I did a double-take. Joe may be surprised to know this, but that was a pretty powerful moment for me, not because I was enamored of the Bible, but because I had grown accustomed to the notion that religious beliefs were vague and fuzzy and didn’t really leave anyone with enough leverage to say; “no that’s just incorrect.” Even my Dad had been talking about moral themes back in that discussion over the cartoon Bible; that left room for disagreement. Joe on the other hand, he was suggesting the Bible could just get its facts wrong, and that blew my mind. This may well have been the first time that I heard any religious matter described as a simple factual error.
Surely, the whole thing was much more complicated than that, I thought, …unless it wasn’t.
This conversation renewed my interest in scripture; but this time it had me wondering just what would happen if you approached the text with more straight-forward expectations than I had grown accustomed to. I think that conversation might have been what led me to read The Age of Reason and to take that “Bible as Literature” class. Having been raised in a world of spirits that may or may not manifest themselves at any given time and Auras that you can see if you’re in the right mind and hold your eyes just like so, the notion that religious matters could raise clear questions of truth value was a little novel to me. …A few years and one article by Anthony Flew later, I even had a word for the problem Joe had just set me to thinking about.
It was ‘falsifiability’.
Well crafted. No question about it. We are shaped by our experiences in life and the interpretation we place on them. Oh and any emotional reaction to same going on at the time. I had a deeply religious mommy and a highly scientifically oriented daddy, where did that put me? Squarely in the middle – I always have and always will question everything!
I’ve known quite a few people who had that science/religion split in their childhood. It’s interesting to see the choices they end up making, not that I can see a clear pattern.
I don’t think I had a strong scientific influence in my childhood. My father was an odd collection of right wing and left wing thought. Mother was ambivalent; she was deeply attached to mainstream Christianity, but she couldn’t accept not having the same faith as Dad, so she converted. …sort of. I wouldn’t say that I ended up in the middle, more like, found another standard of measurement entirely.
Wow, so well put. My thoughts exactly! My Dad was raised a devout Catholic (altar boy, the whole nine yards). It wasn’t until he was in his 60’s, when he read the entire bible (not just one version but several). That was when he questioned what he had been taught. That was when he became a non-believer. My husband, also raised a Catholic, became a non-believer when he was a young boy. He asked an innocent question in catechism…he was expelled. Need-less-to-say, he never went back. Yes, we always must question everything!
…many unbelievers get there by first studying up on their own faith., and quite a few believers would be damned surprised at what is actually in their Holy Book.
I received what I now realise was a Chick tract in the mail a few weeks ago. Until I saw your links I thought it was a one-off publication.
It was all about the evils of Islam. The solution? Denounce Islam and give your life to Jesus, of course. Perhaps I will dispose of it properly and fulfil your wish vicariously.
I quit reading these things a long time ago because I thought they seemed to be very unkind to different faiths and belief systems. I don’t want to say “Bigoted” because that might be a little over the top. But they made me uncomfortable also.
I think “bigoted” is appropriate, especially in their depiction of Muslims.
Ah, if only we could do that with the lot of them. seriously, I wonder if the Chick people realize just how many people they are pushing away.
Catholicism and Islam are two of Chick’s biggest targets, and he (or someone working for him) even made a tract about how the Catholic Church invented Islam.
Lol, that’s hilarious.
Here’s the tract in question.
Well written. Coming from a multi-cultural, multi-religious country, I have a healthy respect for all religions as long as they preach peace and harmony, along with respect for any living creatures. I am not an atheist, more of a free-thinker.
Thank you for stopping by and adding your comment.
Great post! (Love the Monty Python god-figure)…One of my goals in life is to be able to communicate my non-beliefs so sensibly that my way of thinking is at least allowed to exist in the minds of those people I know that are hard-core christians.
My wife has three siblings, all of which are dedicated christians. Six years ago when I first met them we all went on a 10-day backpacking trip in the Sierra’s. Great trip, and we really got to know each other and all got along great. I love them all…but the constant chatter about christ and group praying irked me. But I was the new guy so I just kept quiet, and in fact I hadn’t given the whole religion thing any thought for quite some time up to that point…
Last August when their dad died with a smile and a single tear, the most vocal of the christian trio cornered me and asked me what I thought the afterlife was. I said what I thought; that I don’t give it much thought what with all that’s going on in the nowlife. A week or so later after we had dispersed to our respective homes I got a letter in the mail from him. Typical christian ranting and I was again irked…
Next month we all return to the Sierra’s for another extended backpacking trip. I don’t intend to be irked or offended or offensive (by ranting about my beliefs), but I’m not going on this trip intellectually unarmed.
This is my lengthy thank you for your blog and your well-thought-out writing and for helping me communicate my thoughts about this odd and volatile subject.
Dealing with relatives who believe is difficult, not the least of reasons being that most of our disagreements come bundled up with disagreements about the nature of the disagreements, lol. It can be damned hard to settle on an understanding that really makes agreement to disagree work.
Good luck on the trip; I hope you can establish a respectful working agreement with your in-laws.
Isn’t that the truth?! Thanks, we’ll see how it works out…
Hello, Daniel. It’s in the relationship — that’s how you get to know God — He will reveal Himself to those who seek him. Ask and the door shall be opened. Most people believe in God, but they don’t bother to get to know Him. They place Jesus in the closet with their Sunday suit. The Holy Ghost will help you with the scriptures, life, and a relationship with the Almighty.
Give it another try & God Bless You!
P.S. I lived in Big Bear for a time and there’s no Big Foot! 🙂
Thank you for stopping by and for clearing up that matter on Bigfoot. 🙂
I once read that Obama is a closet papist. A lot of Christians, most often NOT Catholics (oh yeah!), are so zealous for their side that they can’t even fathom not agreeing with them 100% and they take the most hateful, obnoxious, or unempathetic approach to evangelization. Religion takes faith, but I do agree with Lady Deidre that it is also takes time. I’ve always felt that God understands people’s personal journeys and he doesn’t send people to hell over technicalities. Anyhow, I like the post. People need to understand each other and realize that intelligent people can disagree on a great many things.
I don’t do organized Religion in America anymore because I feel that most of them have forgotten their basic message of salvation and have taken Jesus off the Cross and out of the Tomb and put Him in charge of a Right Wing Ballot Box.
I think both sides, although certainly the right wing more, use religion for political gain. I do believe that Christians need to bring their Christian conscience to the polls, but I understand that these issues are complex and that finding the Christian answer is more challenging than the one who claims to be giving it to you will admit. As a Christian, when “judging” other Christians, the social issues of gay marriage and most especially abortion are absolutes for me, but most everything else is still up for debate and other people’s best judgement.
John and Vince, thank you both for stopping by and adding your thoughts. Your discussion is an interesting addition to this page, and I’m glad you two spoke up.
Supposedly, I am following your blog and your posts are supposed to show up automatically, but they are not. Hmmmm. Realized today that I have missed you.
Hi Juliana, I added a sign-up for Twitter-following if that helps. …still not sure how I feel about twitter, but I’m hoping I can use it to promote the Blog and provide a means of notification.
I post things I think automatically to Twitter but do not think it is very effective unless your blog posts are very short and about something controversial or what I consider mundane popular culture.
I agree with you that it is indeed possible for God to meet you. 🙂 He loves you, truly.
Well played. 🙂
🙂
Like Juliana, I wasn’t notified about your blog; I, too, am listed as following. So I just now found this post and enjoyed it immensely. Yes, immensely because a lot of my life flashed through my mind when I read your post. In my case, my father was very religious (devout Protestant) and I was the scientist, always questioning the Bible and getting on his and the pastor’s nerves — typical insatiable kid that I was. I always wanted to know why God stopped being that powerful being depicted in the Old Testament. Did he go on a long vacation? I still wonder.
I am reconsidering the possibility that there may just be a Satan, because he keeps blocking my posts and notifications. …but it is nice to know that others have had similar experiences and feelings. For myself, I think I just wanted to know more and learn more about God. I wasn’t driven by skepticism so much as arrived there when the answers I fully expected to get simply weren’t coming.
there is a God and jesus healse
Pingback: Of Loyalties and Lords and Faith as a Horror Show « northierthanthou
As a child I remember my first inkling of something rotten in the state of Christendom was when a Sunday school teacher (just a sixteen year old girl if I recall) told me there were no cats in heaven. Who says something like that to a five year old? Later in life I attended a very religious primary school on the west coast of Scotland, and I made the mistake of taking a couple of books (I cannot remember which books, but high fantasy in the style of Tolkien) into school one day and being told by my teacher never to bring them to school again. Apparently they were “bad books”. If I recall Chick publications had a number of tracts berating the evils of Dungeons & Dragons. Later still, in adult life, a Christian friend informed me one evening that he stopped his children from reading Harry Potter books, because they “stink of Satan”. These, and other, vaguely ludicrous utterings from Christians I have met have resulted in my devout agnosticism.
The Chick Tract, dark Dungeons is infamous.
On the plus side, I got about 300 dollars of D&D stuff from a Fundamentalist Christian who decided to ditch the demonic influence. Actually, I got it through a friend who bought it for $30.000 and proceeded to give it to me for XMas and my birthday over the course of about 5 years. For the longest time all my D&D books and a decent chunk of my miniatures were the product of that move.
I have just read what I posted earlier, and I’d like to clarify something. I’m quite certain that the Christian friend with a dislike for Harry Potter whom I mentioned would never say something like “stink of Satan”. I’m not sure what part of my (very tired) brain produced that charming expression. As far as I can remember his argument was based around witchcraft. Apologies 🙂
Hello. Thank you for the look into your life! It takes a lot of vulnerability to open up like that. I can really empathize with many of your experiences and remember vividly asking similar questions about god, the bible, religion, etc… I still ask them to this day! I started blogging about a year ago and love interacting with ideas, especially when I disagree with those ideas. It is healthy for us to not insulate ourselves but to interact with opposing views. I look forward to reading many of your posts in the future.